Bipartisanship # 2

[saddlebum]

BHO in response to overwhelming criticism for his seemingly lax attitude toward jihadists and extremists Muslims, is that 'we need to join together with bipartisanship and "citizenship" to fight terrorism'.

How many attacks in the U.S. has it taken for BHO to recognize that we're in a WAR with dedicated, rabid, insane, miscreant, extremist Muslims as long as they exist.

His condescending, apologizing speeches directed toward Muslim countries, and Muslims in general, have done absolutely nada in changing extremists Muslims and jihadists treacherous intentions.

Suggesting bipartisanship while the democrats are loading up this healthcare bill with partisan crap ?????????
Now that's AUDACITY !!!!!!!

To their credit loyal American Muslims in Detroit today demonstrated OPENLY against terrorist, jihadist Muslims..............if more of them would do this, it sure would be helpful.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by saddlebum

BHO in response to overwhelming criticism for his seemingly lax attitude toward jihadists and extremists Muslims, is that we need to join together with bipartisanship and "citizenship" to fight terrorism.

How many attacks in the U.S. has it taken for BHO to recognize that we're in a WAR with dedicated, rabid, insane, miscreant, extremist Muslims as long as they exist.

His condescending, apologizing speeches directed toward Muslim countries, and Muslims in general, have done absolutely nada in changing extremists Muslims and jihadists treacherous intentions.

Suggesting bipartisanship while the democrats are loading up this healthcare bill with partisan crap ?????????
Now that's AUDACITY !!!!!!!

To their credit loyal American Muslims in Detroit today demonstrated OPENLY against terrorist, jihadist Muslims..............if more of them would do this, it sure would be helpful.

In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, not any one elses. I believe attitudes like yours, calling different groups, religions, etc names and claiming all in that country are bad is wrong. There are people right here in our United States, even Alabama probably that are just as bad, but you can't blame the whole country. A Muslem, after reading your second paragraph might surely be offended by the name calling. Now that is what I call AUDACITY. Would you like it better if BHO got on national tv and spouted that crap. You surely know that Demopolis Live is world wide. You may think people don't believe what you say or take offence by it, but they do. This is just MY opinion.

[saddlebum]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, not any one elses. I believe attitudes like yours, calling different groups, religions, etc names and claiming all in that country are bad is wrong. There are people right here in our United States, even Alabama probably that are just as bad, but you can't blame the whole country. A Muslem, after reading your second paragraph might surely be offended by the name calling. Now that is what I call AUDACITY. Would you like it better if BHO got on national tv and spouted that crap. You surely know that Demopolis Live is world wide. You may think people don't believe what you say or take offence by it, but they do. This is just MY opinion.

What whole country did I affend by name-calling ?
Re-read the post !

Tippy-toein' around by not calling these jihadists, EXTREME Muslim terrorists what they are is exactly what some democrats as well as republicans are dissatisfied with BHO about.

Re-read the post, I'm "spoutin" the same "crap" as the LOYAL American Muslims in Detroit yesterday.

BHO FINALLY did denounce these hate-filled people on national TV..........try to keep up !!!!!!!!

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by saddlebum

What whole country did I affend by name-calling ?
Re-read the post !

Tippy-toein' around by not calling these jihadists, EXTREME Muslim terrorists what they are is exactly what some democrats as well as republicans are dissatisfied with BHO about.

Re-read the post, I'm "spoutin" the same "crap" as the LOYAL American Muslims in Detroit yesterday.

BHO FINALLY did denounce these hate-filled people on national TV..........try to keep up !!!!!!!!

Who did you offend by name calling? What good does name calling do?

[JThomas]

I've taken the time to read some of the quran's scipture and believe that a true muslim adhere's to its principles.

Surah 9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know
not.

Any muslim protesting the Flight 253 doings is a liar or not a practicing muslim.

[saddlebum]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Who did you offend by name calling? What good does name calling do?

You didn't answer my question because you can't, you attack without knowing what you're talking about. Research before you jump me !!!!!

These evil people who are attempting to kill Americans anyway they can should be called what they are !!!!!!!

Glad you're back posting, by the way, Happy New Year.
Fix the barbed wire fence behind your house so the jackasses won't get out, and the cold weather from the North Pole can't blow in.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by saddlebum

You didn't answer my question because you can't, you attack without knowing what you're talking about. Research before you jump me !!!!!

These evil people who are attempting to kill Americans any way they can should be called what they are !!!!!!!

Glad you're back posting, by the way, Happy New Year.
Fix the barbed wire fence behind your house so the jackasses won't get out, and the cold weather from the North Pole can't blow in.

Nor did you answer my question, this jackass knows where the line is, she don't need a fence, sure helps when its cold tho.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, not any one elses. I believe attitudes like yours, calling different groups, religions, etc names and claiming all in that country are bad is wrong. There are people right here in our United States, even Alabama probably that are just as bad, but you can't blame the whole country. A Muslem, after reading your second paragraph might surely be offended by the name calling. Now that is what I call AUDACITY. Would you like it better if BHO got on national tv and spouted that crap. You surely know that Demopolis Live is world wide. You may think people don't believe what you say or take offence by it, but they do. This is just MY opinion.

Originally Posted by saddlebum

You didn't answer my question because you can't, you attack without knowing what you're talking about. Research before you jump me !!!!!

These evil people who are attempting to kill Americans any way they can should be called what they are !!!!!!!

Glad you're back posting, by the way, Happy New Year.
Fix the barbed wire fence behind your house so the jackasses won't get out, and the cold weather from the North Pole can't blow in.

Where exactly am I suppose to go to research my opinion that I believe name calling us wrong. I think I made it quite clear that it was my opinion. It is funny to me that if you don't have the same opinion as some on this forum you are attacking them. Damn if I don't believe I have been attacked if that is the case.

Oh yes, per my signature: Did I see you limping the other day?

[saddlebum]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Where exactly am I suppose to go to research my opinion that I believe name calling us wrong. I think I made it quite clear that it was my opinion. It is funny to me that if you don't have the same opinion as some on this forum you are attacking them. Damn if I don't believe I have been attacked if that is the case. Oh yes, per my signature: Did I see you limping the other day?

Your hero BHO just this week FINANLLY announced that we are at WAR with al Qaida, jihadists and radical Islam. That's not a wishy-washy, unknowledgeable, non-sensical OPINION..........it's factual.
Yes, I have a 'planta fasciitis' on the bottom of my foot and it's sore as hell, but it'll get well, your situation is hopeless.

Bring it on !!!!!!!!!! I'm ready for you !!!!!!!!

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by saddlebum

Your hero BHO just this week FINANLLY announced that we are at WAR with al Qaida, jihadists and radical Islam. That's not a wishy-washy, unknowledgeable, non-sensical OPINION..........it's factual.
Yes, I have a 'planta fasciitis' on the bottom of my foot and it's sore as hell, but it'll get well, your situation is hopeless.

Bring it on !!!!!!!!!! I'm ready for you !!!!!!!!

What has BHO's announcement got to do with my opinion that name calling is wrong. Why is my situation hopeless? Bring what on? I stated my opinion and you have more or less called me a jackass and told me my situation is hopeless, what situation? Just because I think name calling is wrong. Good grief, Saddlebum, yo foot got your brain messed up? You are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hole. The hay is already in the barn. Choke, sob, slobber, snot bubbles, I'm fighting off my attacker.

Sorry bout your foot, Guess God figured you needed something worse than a sprained ankle. Tape your foot up.

[saddlebum]

Jihadists Muslims are not the first group to attempt to annihilate my family and friends. The British killed some of us in Scotland, burned our homes and chased us to Ireland.
We fought them there for a generation or so until five Henry brothers escaped to America. The British burned our homes for the third time during the Revolutionary War and the war of 1812.

Finally, at the battle of King's Mountain, in which three of my forefathers fought, we finally whipped the British for good, and now we're buddies and even inter-married with several of 'em over the generations.

It's doubtful this story will repeat itself with the Muslims because their religion states specifically to kill the infidels if they don't agree to become devout Muslims. It's difficult, and somewhat foolish to trust people who's religion is telling them to kill you.

I'm just sayin'..............read the Koran, it'll GRAB your attention.

[truthseeker]

Good Evening DLive,

How do we teach to and instill in our children/youth of all colors, religions, and nationalities genuine/unwavering American Patriotism? Character education is taught in public schools. How are American churches, synagogues, and mosques addressing this concept?

Truthseeker

[Kagan]

Originally Posted by truthseeker

Good Evening DLive,

How do we teach to and instill in our children/youth of all colors, religions, and nationalities genuine/unwavering American Patriotism? Character education is taught in public schools. How are American churches, synagogues, and mosques addressing this concept?

Truthseeker

TS, I actually read your post about three times before I started typing a response. Patriotism has been something that I think we took for granted over the years. We never really had a source from which we got it. Why? Patriotism was EVERYWHERE we turned when I was a child and a teen, and I'm sure it was the same for you as well.

I'm not really sure that I have an answer, but I've noticed some remarkable changes in attitudes among students since I was one (so long ago now) through the years that I've been a teacher. Today's kids don't have patriotism; they have what I'll term as "devout cynicism."

My questions are different from yours: 1) How did my generation get our strong dose of Patriotism?
2) What happened that innoculated today's youth from Patriotism?

First, in looking back on my own Patriotic spirit, it seems that it was gained almost through osmosis. Through my formative years, Watergate was the only bump in the road. Hillary Clinton said something that got her ridiculed by conservatives when she quoted the African proverb: "It takes a whole village to raise a child." Although I'm not nor ever will be a fan of Hillary, she told the truth. My sense of American Patriotism wasn't just drawn from Dad and geigerlass; it was reinforced by adults in the neighborhood, teachers at school, local business owners, and, yes, even the news media.

None of my teachers ever said, "Today, our lesson is on Patriotism." No, they modeled Patriotism as a lifestyle. It wasn't just "saying" the Pledge of Allegiance; it was about living it.

The first two teachers that I ever remember mentioning Patriotism by its dictionary definition were in high school. Honestly, they didn't tell us anything new about the subject; they simply gave us the terms by which we could define our own feelings.

My high school government teacher was the most rabid, anti-Communist you could ever meet, and I still love her for it. She took the time to compare the governments of USA and USSR. Yes, she "indoctrinated" us, but most importantly, she painted a picture of the USA which at times brought tears of pride and joy to my classmates and me. I would give anything to hear her down Khrushchev, Brezhnev, or Castro just one more time.

The other teacher who spoke of Patriotism strongly was an African-American WW2 veteran. When he first went to Italy, he was only allowed to cook, move supplies, or dig graves. He told how he wanted so badly to kill a Nazi because they were, as he said, "Enemies of my country." He settled into the determination to send the "white soldiers" to the front lines with full bellys and plenty of ammunition so that they could kill all the Nazi they could. Dead U.S. soldiers deserved honorable graves for they had paid the ultimate price of Patriotism. In the last year of the war in Italy, he got a transfer to one of the all-black U.S. infantry divisions fighting in the Po Valley north of Rome. He finally got his opportunity to kill Nazis. I was so amazed that he didn't look at his non-combat service time as a lesser act of Patriotism. He simply reminded us that women were back home in USA being Rosie the Riveters and doing "men" jobs as their expression of Patriotism. He knew that everyone had a part to play in defeating Hitler.

Shortly after returning to my alma mater as a high school teacher, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Every one of my students had at least one relative in some branch of the service. During the Desert Shield phase of the conflict, one student complained about Bush41 by saying, "Bush is wasting too much time. Reagan would have bombed the hell out of 'em by now. We need to whoop Saddam's *** now!" No, I didn't send her to the office for profanity because she wanted USA win and win now. When Desert Storm ended after less than 72 hours, she was beaming ear to ear the biggest, proudest, Patriotic smile anyone could imagine.

However, in the last eight years since 9-11, I've witnessed cynicism growing in the place of Patriotism. Why? I'm really not sure. But I know that I won't be able to stem those cynical waves with a lesson plan devoted to Patriotism.

[saddlebum]

The quote, 'it takes a whole village to raise a child', is one of the truest ever spoken.
For whatever reason neighbors in this day are uneasy becoming involved.

I originally noticed lessening of patriotism as our soldiers began returning from Viet Nam.
I appreciate that war protestors have the right to protest but I despised them for it because I was acutely aware of the horrible sacrifices several of my close friends made.
I pray that our soldiers will never be subjected to the nefarious disrespect heaped on them by these protestors, most of these fine young men were drafted and SENT to war.
The Viet Nam War may have been wrong, but the disgusting treatment of our returning soldiers was almost as insidious in America as slavery.
The first drugs I ever heard about were from Viet Nam veterans.

How much this had to do with the present lack of patriotism in some quarters, I don't know.

My generation's parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, teachers, coaches and neighbors expected us to be patriots, and even heroes if the situation arose.

Ya'll shouldn't have gotten me started......

[Kagan]

Originally Posted by saddlebum

For whatever reason neighbors in this day are uneasy becoming involved.

Why are they uneasy? Lawsuits and lies!

When I was in seminary, I smelled marijuana smoke on the teen son of a seminary classmate when I paid the kid for washing my car on seminary campus. Honestly, I never addressed to the dad. He wouldn't have believed me anyway...and if he had, he probably would have put spin on the story to make me look bad. I had seen him do it with other people who had "crossed" him.

Today, people don't want help with their children. They will tell you point-blank.

I pray that our soldiers will never be subjected to the nefarious disrespect heaped on them by these protestors, most of these fine young men were drafted and SENT to war.
The Viet Nam War may have been wrong, but the disgusting treatment of our returning soldiers was almost as insidious in America as slavery.

Thank you for bringing that up. The overwhelming majority of Viet Nam vets were HEROES!

The Communists were fighting on their global "domino strategy". Their belief was that soldiers from free countries wouldn't fight to stop Communism dead in its tracks. For all practical purposes the Communist had already taken possession of Viet Nam when they ran the French out in the 1950s. Their next targets were Thailand, Burma, Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines. Did those countries become Communist satellites? NO! Sooo, are Viet Nam vets a bunch of losers who should hang their heads in shame? NO! They scored a major victory against the spread of Communism.

I had the opportunity to tell the previous paragraph to a Viet Nam vet while we were both at a conference in Mobile. He was moaning the blues about being "a Viet Nam loser". When I reminded him of the Communists' "domino strategy", he looked at me and started weeping. He asked, "Do you really believe that we won?" I told him, "yes," and I tell my students, "yes," whenever the topic comes up.

Ya'll shouldn't have gotten me started......

And you got me started...