Acorn

[Mystic_Rhythms]

Originally Posted by leagle

Didn't Sen. McCain appear and speak in support of ACORN at an event in Florida when he was pushing his immigration bill a few years ago?

I may be wrong on this, but the first time I ever heard of Acorn, I think McCain was invoved with them.

source: John McCain's own ACORN connection - War Room - Salon.com

John McCain’s own ACORN connection

ACORN seems unhappy in its new role as a villain, cast by John McCain’s campaign and others on the right as being part of a constellation of shadowy leftists behind Barack Obama’s throne.
Maybe the McCain camp’s call for an investigation of ties between the group and the Obama campaign was the last straw, because on Monday ACORN started reminding people that as recently as March 2006 McCain himself appeared at an event the group sponsored. At the time, the Republican nominee was still campaigning for the immigration reform deal that nearly killed his presidential hopes.
Michelle Malkin — who is, unsurprisingly, angry about the connection — has a press release promoting the event, while Politico’s Ben Smith has a photo of McCain smiling at a room full of ACORN volunteers (visible, Smith says, in other pictures), with a statement by the group’s chief organizer:

It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans.
We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform.

― Gabriel Winant

[saddlebum]

....ACORN has three heads; the widespread organization to register new voters (which is under investigation) and get them to the polls, the very influential lobby in Washington, and the housing dept. This is not a bipartisan organization by any stretch, but it is still financed to a great degree by taxpayers. This will certainly continue since democrats are in control of congress.


The McCain campaign was not the first nor primary critic of ACORN's practices in registering new voters. Actually, it was the "registrants", some of whom were democrats, who brought it to the attention of the media. They were being overwhelmed by these ficticious registrations in Ohio and are getting no help from the attorney general of that state.

ACORN officials say they're working to regain control of their registration practices....fantastic. In Nevada, the head of ACORN is a former identity theft felon.

ACORN may have begun as a worthwhile entity but has been overrun with corruption and partisanship, it will get worse.

[2lib4dem]

I have been watching the television reports about ACORN. It is important to realize that ACORN is being investigated for voter registration fraud and not voter fraud. Some meida outlets (FOX) have been reporting voter fraud. This is an important distinction. The false names registered by ACORN would not be allowed to vote.

[aubie]

Is voter registration fraud not illegal? Should the individuals that registered the illegal voters not be arrested and sent to jail? Every American should be outraged at this.

[usetobe]

I believe in Ohio there was a problem with people registering to vote and then turning around and voting the same day with the early voting rule. That is the same thing.

It is important to realize that ACORN is being investigated for voter registration fraud and not voter fraud. Some meida outlets (FOX) have been reporting voter fraud. This is an important distinction. The false names registered by ACORN would not be allowed to vote.

Here is some interesting reading.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...IyNzEyMjE0ODI=

[2lib4dem]

Originally Posted by aubie

Is voter registration fraud not illegal? Should the individuals that registered the illegal voters not be arrested and sent to jail? Every American should be outraged at this.

Yes it is and yes they should. Voter registration fraud is different than voter fraud.

[2lib4dem]

Originally Posted by usetobe

I believe in Ohio there was a problem with people registering to vote and then turning around and voting the same day with the early voting rule. That is the same thing.

It is important to realize that ACORN is being investigated for voter registration fraud and not voter fraud. Some meida outlets (FOX) have been reporting voter fraud. This is an important distinction. The false names registered by ACORN would not be allowed to vote.

Here is some interesting reading.
Inside Obama’s Acorn by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online

Very intresting reading if you want anti-Obama rhetoric. The national review is a conservative publication, certianly not unbiased.

[saddlebum]

....Registration fraud IS the crime not voter fraud......yet. The almost over-riding problem is that the time is short and apparently there is an avalanche of these late fraudulent registrations. If some of these registrations were to slip through, then it's voter fraud.

There's a possibility that these negligent officials of ACORN and their corrupt employees could hold up the actual declaration of the winner of the presidential contest. This is inexcusable but ultimately won't change the results of the election.

ACORN should be investigated from top to bottom to ensure this doesn't happen again. They certainly shouldn't be funded by taxpayers, since they're not bipartisan, democrats should finance them.

[leagle]

Its vote fraud only if a fraudulently registered voter actually votes. So if Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and the members of the Dallas Cowboys (some of the fake names reported from Acorn registration drives) actually voted a ballot, then whoever filled out that ballot would be committing vote fraud.

No doubt that fraudulent registration is illegal and should be punished. But fraudulent registration alone cannot affect an election.

[usetobe]

2lib4demop are you saying the facts that are stated in the article are false? Can you prove that they are false?

[bilmo]

Wasn't ACORN the organization that turned in the discrepances to the Registrars offices. They turned it in and said that there were suspicious regiatrations. If Wal-Mart turned in employees that they suspected of stealing from the store, would Wal-Mart be blamed for the the employees stealing from the store. How many cases of voter fraud has been proven in the U. S. A poll from Ohio for the last two years determined that there were 4 cases of voter fraud out of 9 million votes cast. Some person may register under a name and the person that registered him may get paid for the registration, but this person would probably never vote because he/she would be discovered.

[MSG31U]

This is a variation of the old shell game where you conceal which cup the pea is under.
The obvious mickey mouse registrants are bogus. What we need to look out for is the flood of absentee votes that will be coming in.
We have seen that in surrounding counties.
This election will be close, probably 2% or less. A handful of illegal votes in every ballot box is all it will take to swing the election.
The illegal actions of the past have made people apathetic about voting and the work that ACORN and other groups will be clouded by this obvious attempt by one group to swing an election.
The fact that any voters rights group who is openly partisan would not be so outrageous if my tax dollars were not supporting it.

[Sweet Pea]

A person has to show an ID to vote. Is that just in AL or is that nation wide? If a person has to show an ID, then they are going to have to have an ID with all those names on it. A poll worker is suppose to check the name and address of the voter. Not necessialy the picture, because some use a light bill, or voter reg form. Unless they give another address in another voting place, they will be caught in a small voting place. I guess in a big place they might get by. I was told by someone that their ID was not checked the last time she voted. She said but they all knew who I was. She said she had it in her hand but didn't show it. My husband walked up to the voting place one time and we made him come back home and get his ID. Even tho we all knew him. We don't let anyone get away without showing their ID at the Springhill Fire Dept.

[MSG31U]

The biggest voter fraud problem has always been the absentee ballot.
The cats, dogs, deceased, moved away and folks with multiple social security numbers are stealing and making a mockery of our democracy.
You can get a ballot or ballots mailed to your home, fill it out, and then send it in.
No one sees you at a polling place to check ID, etc.
Once the ballot is separated from the paperwork, there is no paper trail to see who voted.
Sacks of absentee ballots are brought into post offices every election by one person. Did they really go around and collect the ballots from individuals who can slip them in their own mail box, or were they filled out at someone's kitchen table.

[Sweet Pea]

Don't know how they process the absentee ballots. Know what they say about how they process the provisional ballots. Lot of info on it that has to be checked out.