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Old 02-28-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Minutemen Project

(02-21) 10:14 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) --



Intent on securing the vulnerable Arizona border from illegal immigrant crossings, U.S. officials are bracing for what they call a potential new threat this spring: the Minutemen.



Nearly 500 volunteers have already joined the Minuteman Project, anointing themselves civilian border patrol agents determined to stop the immigration flow that routinely, and easily, seeps past federal authorities. They plan to patrol a 40-mile stretch of the southeast Arizona border throughout April when the tide of immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border peaks.



"I felt the only way to get something done was to do it yourself," said Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant and decorated Vietnam War veteran who is helping recruit Minutemen across the country.



"We've been repeatedly accused of being people who are taking the law into our own hands," said Gilchrist, 56, of Aliso Viejo, Calif. "That is an outright bogus statement. We are going down there to assist law enforcement."



Officials concede the 370-mile Arizona border is the most porous stretch on the U.S.-Mexico line. Moreover, recent intelligence show that al-Qaida terrorists are likely to enter the country through the Mexico border, James Loy, the deputy secretary of the Homeland Security Department, said last week.



"Several al-Qaida leaders believe operatives can pay their way into the country through Mexico, and also believe illegal entry is more advantageous than legal entry for operational security reasons," Loy said in written testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee.



Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the U.S. Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at the Arizona border. The agency increased the number of agents in the Tucson sector, which has its largest staff, from 1,700 to 2,100 over the last 18 months.



But that number is going to grow to try to plug the remaining holes, said Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Robert C. Bonner. About 10,000 federal agents now patrol the 2,000-mile southern border, he said.



Officials fear the Minuteman patrols could cause more trouble than they prevent. At least some of the volunteers plan to arm themselves during the 24-hour desert patrols. Many are untrained and have little or no experience in confronting illegal border crossings.



"Any time there are firearms and you're out in the middle of no-man's land in difficult terrain, it's a dangerous setting," said Bonner, whose agency is keeping a close eye on the Minutemen plans.



"The Border Patrol does this every day, and they are qualified and very well-trained to handle the situation," he said. "Ordinary Americans are not. So there's a danger that not just illegal migrants might get hurt, but that American citizens might get hurt in this situation."



Civilian patrols are nothing new along the southern border, where crossing the international line is sometimes as easy as stepping over a few rusty strands of barbed wire. But they usually are limited to small, informal groups, leaving organizers to believe the Minuteman Project is the largest of its kind on the southern border.



It may also prove to be a magnet for what Glenn Spencer, president of the private American Border Patrol, described as camouflage-wearing, weapons-toting hard-liners who might get a little carried away with their assignments.



"How are they going to keep the nutcases out of there? They can't control that," said Spencer, whose 40-volunteer group, based in Hereford, Ariz., has used unmanned aerial vehicles and other high-tech equipment to track and report the number of border crossings for more than two years.



"There's a storm gathering here on the border, and there are conditions ripe for some difficulty," he said.



The border agents agree.



The Minutemen "clearly have every reason to be upset with the federal government for abandoning them," said National Border Patrol Council president T.J. Bonner, no relation to the commissioner.



But "if anything goes wrong, God forbid, someone does injure an agent, this government is going to be turning both barrels on them and come after them with a vengeance," he said.



Gilchrist said the Minutemen are under strict orders to merely identify and follow illegal border crossers and alert federal agents. They should not interact with the immigrants except to offer food, water or medical care. If there's a couple of "bad apples" who turn up in the group, Gilchrist said, they will face prosecution if they step outside the law.



Something dramatic needed to be done to curb the years of crime, property damage and trash dumping caused by the border crossings, Gilchrist said.



"Things are out of control" he said. "And they've been out of control for decades."



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www.minutemanproject.com/



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It is a very good idea for those of us that live far away and can get there. I would go if someone would watch my kidsI don't like them slippin into the country anyway. I am not prejudiced, well ok. But they need to be legal before they get here and we do not need anymore people in this country.

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Re: Minutemen Project

Yes, I would too. I am all for a better life for these people, but there are legal ways to do it. If they are not made to obey our laws (and you know it's true, most of them get away with anything) then why should we? They have no respect for American laws and people, or at least a good 95% of them anyway. :bangry:





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i would sign up if i could. i think that for the most part its is a good thing. there are a few draw backs, but overall i think its good that "ordinary americans" are getting involved to help protect the borders of our country. i know those people have it rough in their own country, but maybe instead of trying to flee to ours, they should try and better their own.

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little bit of both lol. They both seem to slink in at the wrong times.lol

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A couple of issues. Getting in legally is much harder than it used to be. I deal with migrant labor in my business and the red tape and expense is unreal to get workers here legally. This leads employers to sometimes accept illegal workers. I deal with contractors who use migrant labor and we insist on legal workers and inspect their paperwork, but not all companies do. Also, most of the workers I come into contact with behave. Yes, some break the law and short of deporting them, there is little we can(or choose to, I dont know the laws) do to them. They only want a chance to make a living for themselves and their families. Perhaps the solution is to make it easier to come over legally and track them. At least we would know who is here and where they are. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Minutemen Project

I wouldn't have a problem with them coming here if they were legal and would learn or language. I mean, jeez, if you can't talk to the people here what is the point of being here. If we go to their country we are expected to learn their language. Plus they need to be taught that it is not polite to stare. That just creeps me out!!! It feels like they are undressing you with their eyes.

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the way i feel is sort of divided. for the most part i am agianst imagrants either legal or illegal. it takes away from a lot of things. on the other hand, i can see why they would want to be here. but they should try and "fix" their own country instead of running to ours. thats just me though.

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If I have to obey the laws of the land, then so should everyone else in this country. Just the fact that they are here ILLEGALLY tells me that they have no respect for this nation or our laws. Mexico's second largest source of income comes from the US, by way of the ILLEGAL workers that are here sending their US dollars back home. The language problem is just another brick in that wall to me. And yes, BTW, the staring is awful and is enough to creep anyone out! Whew!