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Old 02-19-2004   #16 (permalink)
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Got this from a friend this morning. I know just about nothing about how the boats operated but Joe definately spent enough time on the rivers to know what the tactics were.
I see that I'm not the only one wondering how he managed to get so many combat medals in so short a time.
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> Subject: Fw: interesting reading (as received...)
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> Sent to me by an old shipmate. Interesting perspective.
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> Joe
> re: Kerry
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> I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I know
> the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine
> used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I
> spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.
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> Here are my problems and suspicions:
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> (1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star,
> a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any
> outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the
> River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such
> pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty wasn't
> the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the
> major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was
> mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.
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> (2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp. All injuries so minor that no time
> lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals
> every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on the boats
> was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds. At least
> not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three purple hearts
> to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour. Fishy.
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> (3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no
> sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie
> jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with
> the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and
> retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong.
>
> (a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern
> to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity
> of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and
> the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
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> (b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round
> and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty.
> There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to
> you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth,
> and you wanted some derring do in your after-action report). And we didn't
> shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too.
>
> (c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing
> procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER!
> The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your boat was
> defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It was stupid and
> it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I
> never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a
> firefight.
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> Something is fishy.
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> Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for
> carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running
> across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to
> get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots
> of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests
> separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for
> Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachsetts in 1970 so
> reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the
> cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to
> invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the
> heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes
> against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the Wall
> came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big mistake since that turned out
> well, decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq,
> but oops, that didn't turn out so well so he now says he really didn't mean
> for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.
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> I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam. I
> sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that somebody from
> CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record. I know
> in my gut it's wildy inflated. And fishy.
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> Keep smiling,
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> Mike
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HMM, Another bit of instresting info. Kerry seems to be good at politics and BUTT kissing to get the medals he did in that short amount of time. To me Kerry turned his back on his troops who served under his command and to what he was supposed to stand for by trashing his medals in public . That is a disgrace, Well he didn't deserve them anyway or maybe thats what he was trying to say when he threw them on the ground. Kerry just jumps on the Band Wagon so he can advance politicly. Well, Kerry can kiss my GRITS. I still wont vote for him. But once again thats just my OPINION.

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